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TennesseeTuxedo	Let's See If The Bush Tax Cuts Only Helped The Rich, As The Media and Liberals Like To Say		Lead	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 846 03/23/08 13:24:56 Libertarian Fascist	Tags : liberalism, taxes, liberals, liberallies, taxcuts, conservatism, reagan www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008 Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250 If you want to know just how effective the mainstream media is, it is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If any democrat is elected, ALL of them say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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gallavol	So.. your comparing 8 yrs of peace and prosperity with after tax income?	#1	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 585 03/23/08 17:32:53 been there, done that	Sometimes Tux, I question your priorities.
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TennesseeTuxedo	We Have Peace and Prosperity Here Now	#2	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 847 03/23/08 19:58:25 Libertarian Fascist	I know where your priorities lie comrade. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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BTalley1	This may be your biggest lie yet . . .	#3	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 27 03/23/08 20:41:03	. . . those numbers are so fucking off-the-chart wrong that it is staggering someone with a college education could have typed them in. If you make $75,000 and are in the "25% bracket" it does not mean you pay 25% in taxes. It only means the fraction of your "taxable" income over a certain threshhold (somewhere above $32,000) is taxed at that rate, and that is after myriad deductions are taken into account. Someone making $75,000 will pay at most $10,000 in taxes (the usual 15% that we have paid for years) . . . and if that person is paying a lot in mortgage interest and has kids . . . he will pay much less. To say that person paid $23,000 under Clinton (and even $18,000 under Bush) is stupid on the highest scale. The tax cuts "saved" someone making $30K about $150. Criminy, are there ANY standards for accuracy around here? Last Edited By: BTalley1 03/23/08 22:21:43. Edited 3 times.
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PolemicVol	Well, good question....	#4	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 3580 03/23/08 22:44:01 Master Debater	Criminy, are there ANY standards for accuracy around here? Tux's sources simply make a living underestimating the intelligence of their readers. They lie to Tux and he laps it up, then he repeats the lies here. Over and over again. BT, you are the standard for accuracy here. Everytime you point out ludicrous posts like the one above, you are creating a standard of accuracy that Tux and his sources fall woefully short of achieving. Thanks for your effort. George Bush and John McCain.....wrong then and wrong now.
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TennesseeTuxedo	Take It Up With The Tax Tables Talley	#5	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 849 03/24/08 08:00:29 Libertarian Fascist	It is ignorant to not realize that people have net incomes that reach each of those levels. You are very desperate. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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BTalley1	Tax education 101 . . .	#6	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 28 03/24/08 10:33:50	A 25 percent marginal rate --- even if it is "net taxable income" --- does not mean a person is paying 25 percent in taxes. It only means they are paying 25 percent above a certain threshhold. You pay 0 percent on the first few thousand. You pay 10 percent ONLY on the next few thousand. You pay 15 percent ONLY on the next few thousand. You pay 25 percent ONLY on the next few thousand. And when all is said and done . . . a single person with $75,000 "NET" taxable income is paying $15,000, which is only 20 percent. And that $75,000 net likely is about $95,000-$100,000 gross . . . which means they are paying 15-18%. That's what almost all upper middle class and above people pay. Dick Cheney paid 22% last year. Is any of this sinking in? Of course not. FACT: The "average" tax savings for Americans was $1,800 . . . a number skewed high because some people saved tens and hundreds of thousands. And here is the punch line: If your taxable income was $6,000-$27,000, you saved . . . $0. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/general/tax_cut_5-07.html Last Edited By: BTalley1 03/24/08 10:40:57. Edited 2 times.
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gallavol	Is their anyone with a brain who would characterize the last 7yrs as years	#7	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 586 03/24/08 15:05:47 been there, done that	of "peace and prosperity? Tux you live in an altered state of existence if you can call the $2 trillion and 4000 lives lost (just ours) in Iraq, peace. Also, you had better go back and do economics 101 if you think the present economic situation in the US is anything close to prosperity. You got to quit reading that brain dead wingnut stuff Tux, its starting to lower your IQ. Last Edited By: gallavol 03/24/08 15:12:09. Edited 1 time.
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TennesseeTuxedo	How Many Terrorist Attacks In The U.S. Since 9-11?	#8	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 850 03/24/08 16:20:57 Libertarian Fascist	No wars fought on our soil or terrorist attacks since 9-11. Theres your peace. I have prospered over the past 7 years in a way that supercedes anything that I was able to do during the Clinton years. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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PolemicVol	There you have it, Galla....	#9	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 3581 03/24/08 17:28:49 Master Debater	Tux has an entirely "Tux-centric" view of peace and prosperity. As long as he personally isn't toting a rifle in a war zone, or as long as he personally has prospered economically, then everything is just fine. Modern conservatism is merely an ideological construct to justify selfishness. George Bush and John McCain.....wrong then and wrong now.
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TennesseeTuxedo	Low Taxes and National Security	#10	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 851 03/24/08 20:01:41 Libertarian Fascist	The Democrats have spent the last 6 months ignoring events in Iraq lest they have to confront the successes resulting from the "Surge". Yet they must be watching at some level to have noticed the 4,000 death. Now they can get back the unreal debate about who can pull out of Iraq the fastest, or who was against the invasion of Iraq first. You wild-eyed moonbats will find this information in these next two links interesting. www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf 1992 1,293 1993 1,213 1994 1,075 1995 1,040 1996 974 1997 817 1998 827 1999 796 2000 758 2001 891 2002 999 2003 1,410 2004 1,873 2005 1,941 2006 1,875 _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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BTalley1	How many Al-Qaeda attacks on US soil from March 1993-November 2000?	#11	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 29 03/25/08 11:22:44	ZERO. One WTC attack one month into Clinton's first term . . . and that was it. This is too damn easy. Yes, there were a couple of attacks on US interests halfway around the world . . . but then, there are attacks on US interests every day now. No matter now you juggle the parameters . . . Clinton wins, Bush loses.
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TennesseeTuxedo	World Trade Center Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Planning of 9-11	#12	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 853 03/25/08 12:17:41 Libertarian Fascist	Not a good track record for Bill Clinton administration. The Goralick Wall...that says all that anyone needs to know. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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PolemicVol	Your buddies pulled off the OK City bombings...	#13	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 3586 03/25/08 16:15:08 Master Debater	Those guys were right wing militia members, good solid American conservatives, who hated the government to the point that they decided to blow up government buildings. You don't get extra points on the terrorism tally, when your brothers are the ones setting off the bombs. George Bush and John McCain.....wrong then and wrong now.
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BTalley1	Richard Clarke warned the Bush administration . . .	#14	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 31 03/25/08 22:13:31	. . . that Al-Qaeda was the No. 1 priority. One month later, bin Laden was implicated for the Cole attack. Several months later, Bush receives PDB entitled "bin Laden determined to attack United States" Shortly thereafter, CIA rushes to Crawford with their hair on fire because of all the terror chatter. And Bush did . . . nothing.
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BTalley1	Snopes to Tux: "---- ---- Pants on Fire"	#15	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 62 04/26/08 13:15:29	http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/clinton-bush.asp As I tried to explain, the numbers in Tux's example were about three light years from reality. But it still rates a ''partially true" from Snopes because, well, people did save SOMETHING. But a look at the numbers exposes it for the lie it is. Single person making 30K paid $401 more in federal taxes under Clinton . . . not the $3,900 Tux claims. And I think a good economy, rising stock prices and affordable food and gasoline under Clinton easily made up for this $401. And Tux's lies just get worse and worse the further down the list you go. Will this pathological liar and his ilk EVER stop spreading these cancerous chain-mails through the Web? Last Edited By: BTalley1 04/26/08 16:49:27. Edited 2 times.
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TennesseeTuxedo	You Trust Snopes...I'll Back The Tax Foundation	#16	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 904 04/26/08 21:26:08 Libertarian Fascist	One of the two follows and is involved in the field of taxes on a daily basis, while one is not an expert on taxes. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol
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BTalley1	The tax foundation numbers are fine . . .	#17	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 63 04/26/08 22:37:40	. . . since all they did was provide the marginal tax rates. The error came ELSEWHERE, you fool, from someone who tried to interpret their rates into actual dollar figures for taxes. The tax foundation did NOT provide the ridiculous number that a single person making $30K paid $8,400 in taxes in 1999. They only provided the tax bracket percentage, which some conservative yahoo extrapolated into that horribly inaccurate figure. It's bad enough that I STILL have to explain this . . . even worse that you STILL are incapable of understanding it. Last Edited By: BTalley1 04/26/08 22:43:03. Edited 1 time.
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PolemicVol	You have the patience of Job, Barry....	#18	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 3698 04/27/08 18:52:57 Master Debater	And the Godliness of a Saint, to persevere to explain the facts to the ideologically blinded poster known as Tux. You are providing a charitable donation to society and will be rewarded for your good works in the next life. Plus it's funny as shit! George Bush and John McCain.....wrong then and wrong now.
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BTalley1	I feel like Anne Sullivan . . .	#19	[url]	[-]
Master Debater Posts: 67 04/29/08 11:25:19	. . . trying to teach Hellen Keller to spell "doll" and "water." Of course, there is a difference. Helen Keller was actually capable of learning. Tux is forever willfully ignorant.
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Let's See If The Bush Tax Cuts Only Helped The Rich, As The Media and Liberals Like To Say	03/23/08 13:24:56	TennesseeTuxedo
So.. your comparing 8 yrs of peace and prosperity with after tax income?	03/23/08 17:32:53	gallavol
We Have Peace and Prosperity Here Now	03/23/08 19:58:25	TennesseeTuxedo
This may be your biggest lie yet . . .	03/23/08 20:41:03	BTalley1
Well, good question....	03/23/08 22:44:01	PolemicVol
Take It Up With The Tax Tables Talley	03/24/08 08:00:29	TennesseeTuxedo
Tax education 101 . . .	03/24/08 10:33:50	BTalley1
Is their anyone with a brain who would characterize the last 7yrs as years	03/24/08 15:05:47	gallavol
How Many Terrorist Attacks In The U.S. Since 9-11?	03/24/08 16:20:57	TennesseeTuxedo
There you have it, Galla....	03/24/08 17:28:49	PolemicVol
Low Taxes and National Security	03/24/08 20:01:41	TennesseeTuxedo
How many Al-Qaeda attacks on US soil from March 1993-November 2000?	03/25/08 11:22:44	BTalley1
World Trade Center Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Planning of 9-11	03/25/08 12:17:41	TennesseeTuxedo
Your buddies pulled off the OK City bombings...	03/25/08 16:15:08	PolemicVol
Richard Clarke warned the Bush administration . . .	03/25/08 22:13:31	BTalley1
Snopes to Tux: "---- ---- Pants on Fire"	04/26/08 13:15:29	BTalley1
You Trust Snopes...I'll Back The Tax Foundation	04/26/08 21:26:08	TennesseeTuxedo
The tax foundation numbers are fine . . .	04/26/08 22:37:40	BTalley1
You have the patience of Job, Barry....	04/27/08 18:52:57	PolemicVol
I feel like Anne Sullivan . . .	04/29/08 11:25:19	BTalley1